We originally posted this e-mail here, but removed it after receiving Mr. Ames' second e-mail. See the 2nd e-mail below.
From: "L. Peter Deutsch" <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: aladdin.com Dear Mr. Ames, Thank you for your communication. I will post it on my site without comment so that others can form their own opinions of it. I hope that the "real" aladdin.com page was helpful to you in finding a replacement cup for your thermos. Sincerely, L. Peter Deutsch
We did not post this e-mail: in it, Mr. Ames threatened legal action if we did so.
From: "L. Peter Deutsch" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org In-reply-to: <004f01c3354c$7bf00520$8d87fea9@LAPTOP> (email@example.com) Subject: Re: aladdin.com References: <0c7801c334dd$dd0d02a0$8d87fea9@LAPTOP> <200306171540.h5HFejk01380@coral.aladdin.com> <004f01c3354c$7bf00520$8d87fea9@LAPTOP> Dear Mr. Ames, I have received your second e-mail, expressing your anger about my having posted your first e-mail on our Web site. Since you are obviously very upset about the posting of your first e-mail -- in which you excoriated me at length as a "Bolshevik," accused me of deep hatred towards our fellow humans, and invited me to remove myself to Russia / Israel / Cuba while calling me a "self-hating hypocrite" if I didn't do so -- I have removed it from the www.aladdin.com public site. I regret that unlike myself, you are not willing to stand by your political statements in public. Reasonable people (and legal precedents) differ about whether the sender of e-mail has an actionable expectation that the receiver will not publish it, absent an explicit statement by either party. However, in order to avoid any misunderstanding about this issue in the future, I modified the www.aladdin.com site -- before receiving your second message -- to state explicitly, at the top of the home page: Please note that if you send us any feedback about this page, you are giving us permission to post it. I have now updated this statement to say "correspondence" rather than "feedback," and "this site" rather than "this page." I cannot be responsible for the consequences of your failure to read the above prominently posted notice before sending your second e-mail, and believe I would be fully within my rights to publish your second message despite your threat of legal action if I did so. However, since you might argue that your second message was not "feedback about [the www.aladdin.com home] page" but only a response to my first message to you, I will not publish your second e-mail either. Please note that, per the public notice, I reserve the right to publish any further correspondence from you on the subject of the www.aladdin.com Web site, regardless of any notices that you may attach to it. If you do not wish to have your correspondence published, do not send any. Please also note that while I will honor your desire not to publish your first two e-mails to us, I *am* willing to stand by my statements in public, and have published both of my e-mails to you. Sincerely, L. Peter Deutsch
From: "Laura Hunter" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <email@example.com> Subject: View from the Provinces Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:20:46 -0400 Nope, au contraire, people ARE listening...and they don't agree with you. Out in the "provinces" our feelings are different. Would have to say that the below echoes our thoughts beautifully: Bush Equals Hitler? By Jonah Goldberg We may be living in the worst period of Holocaust denial since the Nuremberg trials. I'm not referring to the twisted morons who insist that the Holocaust never happened the way the Monty Python guys insisted the parrot wasn't dead. I'm referring to the legions of Holocaust deniers in the Democratic Party, on the Web, on college campuses, in the mainstream press and, most acutely, in my e-mail box every morning, who reduce to the Holocaust to a triviality. In America today - never mind Europe and the Middle East - ostensibly sophisticated and enlightened people see nothing particularly controversial about comparing George Bush to Adolph Hitler and the United States of America to Nazi Germany. The examples are everywhere. Vanity Fair magazine asks if Richard Perle and Joseph Goebbels were "separated at birth." Whole Web sites are dedicated to the most astoundingly stupid and superficial comparisons between George Bush and Hitler (they both liked dogs, for example). At every event protesting war, Bush, America, this, that and the other thing, one can find pictures of various administration officials in SS garb or bearing Hitler mustaches. On the Web, leftwing forums like Democraticunderground.com overflow with insubstantial people bolstering their self-esteem by pretending to "speak truth to power" to the unfolding Nazification of America. Putatively intellectual magazines, like the leftwing Nation and the New York Review of Books, feature articles that are more measured in tone and more nuanced in style than the hysteria one hears from C-Span callers or rabble-rousers at Howard Dean events, but the upshot is still the same. James Traub, writing in The New York Times last June, detailed the trendiness of the Bush-Hitler comparison: "That's grotesque; and the fact that is has achieved such currency among what the French call the bien pensant is vivid proof that in much of the left, 9/11 and its aftermath have increased the visceral loathing not of terrorism or of Islamist fundamentalism but of President George Bush." But no one seems willing to name this grotesquery plainly. It is, simply, Holocaust denial (not to mention slander against Bush and America). If your son is murdered and I claim that it never happened, I am denying the existence of a crime. But if your son is murdered and I compare that tragedy to losing your car keys, that is a form of denial, too. And this is precisely what the "Bush equals Hitler" crowd is doing. The Nazis murdered millions of men, women and children. Their victims weren't "collateral damage" in a war, and they were not executed after a long and fair trial. The Nazis sent their victims to gas chambers and ovens in boxcars. Nazi scientists injected dyes into the living eyes of small children to see if they could be made "Aryan." They made soap out of people. What on earth has George Bush done that deserves such comparisons? What could he possibly do? If you're going to call the man a Nazi, show me the children with tattoos on their arms. Show me the stockpiles of emaciated corpses. Show me files cabinets full of memos detailing how Bush and Cheney plan on disposing of millions of dead American citizens killed with poisonous gas. If you can't show me any of these things - and you can't - then stop calling the man a Nazi. Because when you say he's no different from Hitler, you are also saying that Hitler is no different from George Bush. And that means that Hitler's crimes were no worse than George Bush's "crimes." And whatever you think of what George Bush has done or might do, if you think any of it is the moral equivalent of the Holocaust, you are in effect saying the Holocaust really wasn't that bad. This isn't a partisan point. I would make the same argument if Al Gore were president. I loathed Bill Clinton as president, but I always took pains to chastise conservatives who compared him to Stalin or Hitler. As bad as Clinton's behavior was, only a man in leave of his senses would compare it to the systematized and bureaucratized mass-murder of millions of people. The same goes for Bush. To what should be their enduring shame, leftists have a particular problem understanding this point. In their do-gooder arrogance, many on the left assume that anyone who stands in their way must not be merely wrong on the facts, but evil in their hearts. And, worse, they have a very difficult time differentiating between evils. My favorite example of this moral myopia comes from a few years ago. Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said of the Contract With America: "Hitler wasn't even talking about doing these things." And his colleague, Rep. Major Owens declared of the new Republican leadership in the House, "These are people who are practicing genocide with a smile; they're worse than Hitler." If you believe such nonsense, just get it over with and say the Holocaust never happened at all. Because at least that form of Holocaust denial admits that if it "had happened," it would have been a really bad thing. Saying the Holocaust is no worse than tax cuts or some such doesn't even give the victims of Nazism that dignity. =20 The "average bear" basically thinks folks like you have "lost your minds" ( a favorite hyperbole of the huddled masses whose collective intelligence you obviously question). To put it more succinctly, We ain't buyin' that loada horse hockey! =20 As an aside: At the moment there IS no better alternative to the Republican party...the Democratic party has been hijacked by the Far, Far Left, and negative types who only want to point out everything that is "wrong" with America, and people are deserting in droves. The other offerings are a bunch of whacky "green" types (sorry, but once again, that is how they are viewed by Joe Blow in Podunk, Kansas.) We Americans are notoriously fickle, but as a majority we lean a little conservative -- we want good schools and decent morals and low crime and reasonable taxes and safety and a strong military. No Party is perfect, but at the moment, the Republicans are resonating with the populace...unless you live in Southern California, Manhattan or similar environs. It's a big country, and most folks still live in Smalltown, USA. I predict a drubbing in Nov 2004...or maybe I should say a "dubya-ing". Laura Hunter
From: "L. Peter Deutsch"
To: firstname.lastname@example.org In-reply-to: <011201c374a3$97cd95f0$917ba8c0@f2v7z1> (email@example.com) Subject: Re: View from the Provinces References: <011201c374a3$97cd95f0$917ba8c0@f2v7z1> Dear Ms. Hunter, Thanks for your comments responding to the www.aladdin.com home page. In accordance with the policy at the top of our home page, we are posting your e-mail on our site. To quote that policy here: Please note that if you send us any correspondence about this site, you are giving us permission to post it: we're willing to stand by our statements in public, so it's only fair that you should be too. Your e-mail included what appears to be a copy of a published article. We believe that we may post your e-mail without violation of copyright because you presumably sent us the article copy without violation. If this is wrong -- if you had to get permission to send us the article -- please let us know immediately. If we are contacted about this issue, we will refer any inquiries to you. I regret that you chose to quote an article that has practically nothing to do with our home page. Our home page does not compare Bush to Hitler: it calls the leaders of the Bush adminstration "lying, arrogant, power-drunk fascists" (and carefully defines what it means by "fascists"), and says "they have been shredding Constitutional democracy, and Americans' rights and liberties, as fast as they can ram their legislation through a compliant Congress with the approval of unprecedently manipulated public opinion." We stand by these statements, the quoted article notwithstanding. Rather than quoting an inflammatory article that, like many political diatribes, attempts to discredit valid criticisms by linking them to wildly exaggerated ones, I wish you had responded by stating which of the 14 listed points of deep similarity between the Bush government and other fascist governments you think are incorrect: I believe I can give you significant examples of all of them. > The Nazis murdered millions of men, women and children. Their victims > weren't "collateral damage" in a war, and they were not executed after a > long and fair trial. The Nazis sent their victims to gas chambers and > ovens in boxcars. Nazi scientists injected dyes into the living eyes of > small children to see if they could be made "Aryan." They made soap out of > people. > > What on earth has George Bush done that deserves such comparisons? What > could he possibly do? First of all, remember that Hitler's government only did those terrible things after it had been in power for many years. The Bush administration has only been in real power for less than 3 years. You might find it interesting to compare the record of Hitler's first 2 1/2 years in office with Bush's. (I don't claim I've done this.) To respond directly: Bush's administration and its predecessors were the leaders in imposing sanctions on Iraq that are well documented to have killed hundreds of thousands of people. His administration has vigorously asserted the right to kill (execute) people, including U.S. citizens, after secret, one-sided military trials; thousands of people have already been imprisoned indefinitely, both at Guantanamo and domestically. There is well-documented evidence that Afghanis acting with the knowledge of the U.S. military shut up prisoners in boxcars where they suffocated. There are also strong indications that the U.S. government deliberately expatriates captured suspects to countries that do not have strong restrictions on torture, so that those countries can do dirty work for which the U.S. can then deny responsibility. But more to the point, I'm not going to grant your premise. The www.aladdin.com home page doesn't compare Bush to Hitler. It doesn't compare the Republicans to Nazis. It does list striking similarities between the methods and characteristics of the proto-fascist Bush administration to those of 5 fascist governments. What the Bush administration does with its unbridled power will be somewhat different, just as Franco didn't murder people by the millions, and Suharto and Pinochet didn't go after the Jews. To take one example: Do I think the Bush administration will send millions of people to gas chambers? No. Do I think the Bush administration will condemn millions of people to additional suffering and earlier death by suppressing and de-funding proven effective and medically appropriate responses to the HIV epidemic? Absolutely. It's starting to happen already: read Rep. Waxman's recent report on the politicization of science organizations in the federal government, as well as the article on it in the recent issue of The Nation. Do I think this comparison trivializes the Holocaust? I have personal connections to both the Holocaust (my father and his parents were refugees from Hitler) and the HIV epidemic (I have many friends with HIV, and quite a number who have died from it), and for me the answer is no. The thing that saddens me most about the present situation is that "Smalltown USA" has many really great values shared between Left, Right, and Center, but the Bush adminstration, with the leverage of compliant media, has bamboozled most citizens out of applying them to the administration's activities. Let's take honesty in government. Bush and his cronies are liars, about big, important things -- to take two of the biggest examples, they kept talking about links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein when there weren't any of any significance (and certainly many fewer than between Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia), and they kept talking about Iraqi WMDs when it's pretty clear by now that there weren't any of those either. This is no secret. Now, honesty in government is a really core American value that the Left and Right share; but only the Left is holding Bush's feet to the fire about his lies. The same thing goes for fiscal responsibility, good schools, clean air and water, and decent government services, all of which I'm sure you want as much as I, all of which Bush has claimed to espouse, all of which his administration has actively undermined, and all of which the Left is calling him on a lot more vigorously than the Right. Of course, I don't expect to persuade you, any more than you expected to persuade me. We'll find out more about who's right next November -- if the elections are actually held, and if they haven't been too badly corrupted, and if Bush and crew don't arrange for (or allow) another terrorist attack to happen shortly before the election. Again, thanks for taking the time to write. L. Peter Deutsch
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